E8 - Embracing the Unknown: The Path to Intuition
Keywords
listening, intuition, authenticity, healing, animals, presence, gratitude, growth, harmony, farming
Summary
In this conversation, Kerri and Kathy explore the profound themes of listening, intuition, and the connection between humans and animals. They discuss the importance of being present, embracing the unknown, and the role of gratitude in fostering positive energy. The dialogue emphasizes the healing power of animals and the significance of creating space for growth and authenticity in our lives. Kathy shares her experiences as a farmer, highlighting the respect and gratitude she holds for the animals she works with, and how this relationship informs her understanding of life and death. The conversation culminates in a call to action for individuals to embody love and gratitude, ultimately contributing to a collective shift in consciousness.
Takeaways
Being present allows us to notice subtle cues.
Listening is a skill that can be developed.
Intuition guides us to the next step in our journey.
Creating space is essential for personal growth.
Animals reflect our emotional state and energy.
Gratitude can transform our perspective on life.
Healing the past can free us from old patterns.
Living in harmony with nature is vital for well-being.
Respecting animals in farming practices is important.
Individual shifts in consciousness can lead to collective change.
Sound Bites
"It's all about listening and learning."
"Stay in the unknown rather than the familiar."
"Go try it, don't take our word for it."
Chapters
00:00The Art of Listening and Presence
02:05Navigating the Unknown
04:37Intuition and Authenticity
07:00The Power of Absence and Space
09:28The Role of Horses in Healing
11:35Self-Awareness and Connection
14:18The Feeling of True vs. Truth
23:46The Power of Positive Energy
26:12Healing Through Time and Awareness
29:42Presence and Connection with Nature
32:22Living in Harmony with the Environment
37:59Gratitude in Farming and Animal Relationships
45:12Empowering Change Through Individual Action
Transcript
Kathy (00:06.222) Learning so much about how to listen even more clearly to my own experiences, to what's going on right in front of me, to the big picture. And it's fun and it's exciting to just simply continue expanding the ability to listen and the clarity from it and it's just all these discoveries of that's what this is about and here's the bigger picture and here's the bigger picture and indeed in such a gentle way where there's nothing to achieve with it Yeah, you're just hearing and listening and learning. because that's what's available.
Kathy (01:27.714) Yeah, but you've got to be present and you've got to be in the right mindset or the right place to listen because it's so easy for that stuff to pass you by and you miss it. Yeah, what's the, so what's the right mindset? Like what do Open. I found myself recently in a very calm, still, waiting place. Waiting, I'm nothing in particular, but it's the case of all of the stuff that I've learnt and has experienced is all there, ready to be touched and taken, no problem. But I also know this so much more. And so for me, The place to be is just here, and see what presents itself and be in that place to hear it because sometimes it can be very subtle. It can be something quite small and you think it's insignificant and like you said, you look back and go, my God, that's what that was all about. So yeah, I really get that. It's funny too, isn't it sometimes where the things that seem really insignificant still come with this feeling of, know it's like, why am I paying attention to that? And the mind says, no, no, no, that's nothing, blah, blah, blah. But there's still this feeling about it, like, huh. And I think the more courageously, I think, we are willing to not know the answers and to not know what it's all supposed to mean and to just say like, all right, well, that happened, next, you know? That's when we're available to feel the little tap on the shoulder that says, hey, pay attention to this tiny itty bitty little thing. Don't worry about what you're gonna do with it. Just notice that that happened, you know? And it's, yeah, it's the most fun. Yeah.
Kathy (03:27.928) Yeah.
Kerri (03:32.788) ever to be in that game. I think you said something very powerful there, which I am very guilty of. And that's trying to make sense of everything straight away. It's trying to go, that's because bar and that, that ties in with that. And it's okay. You can do that. There's no problem. But you might find then a week, 10 weeks a year down the line, go, actually that wasn't that. And if I jumped too quickly, I miss. because I've gone down a pathway and I don't see the nuances that are out there. Yeah, because you go down the path of, yeah, I know this. I got this. It's something familiar. So I'm running with it. You know, that's why people, know, and lots of other teachers talk about, and guides and coaches and healers and everybody's talking about, you you stay in the unknown. Let yourself live in the unknown rather than the familiar. and
Kerri (04:37.12) But it just, it takes a little bit of experience to do that. It takes some courage and it takes diligence. It takes commitment. yes, yes. I found through my experiences, you know, starting years back now, it always seems the universe throws me something that can be quite amazing. But it's like, right, I've shown you that, now move on. And it's never a place of stay in that and don't try and do that again. You don't need to see that again. You've got it up there, now move on. And that's happened so many times. And it's so hard for humans, you know? Bless our hearts. Our little minds are like, whoa, I figured it out! This is awesome! I'm gonna make it happen again and again and again. And we get all, you know, proud of our party tricks. And really, like you just said, the answer is, hey, good job. I'll move on. Yeah, yeah, I so agree because there's been some awesome experiences. I would so love to do again, just because I really enjoyed them. No way. This won't happen. And I've got to that mindset now. Fine. Thank you very much. I've really and I can remember them. The ones that are really awesome. It's like yesterday. So I'm never going to lose that. So I don't need it. But so often it's it's It's almost like a slap around the face. like, right, you've got that. Go. Okay. Okay. I've got the message.
Kerri (06:12.562) I love it. I've been having lots of conversations lately about intuition, know, letting the conversation open up, like, what is it? The big question of how do you trust it? And what you're talking about right now of like that happened, now move on is so pertinent when we're using our intuitive ability with the animals or with each other for ourselves, you lovely,
Kerri (06:42.314) And so the place that this conversation keeps bringing me back to is the clarity that your intuitive capacity and intuitive information isn't asking us to get it right. Correctness is not the point of intuitive information. Intuitive information presents to help you take the next step in the direction you'd like to be going. Yeah.
Kerri (07:11.766) Right. And whereas if you're trying to achieve something, then achievement asks for correctness. Like I have this goal. I want to achieve this goal. It must look like this. must have these parameters. So there is going to be correctness there. And that's how most of us were taught. Right. But into intuitive capacity, communication, connection, creation isn't really asking for correctness. No, it's asking you to listen. And I think the two other things that for me come in there are integrity and authenticity, because you get the intuition and instead of like you're saying, it has to be correct. But even if you haven't got a goal in mind, you know, I need to achieve something. If you take the next step in the best possible way you can, that's all anybody can ask. And if 10 seconds later you learn that next bit of information. That's fine. You didn't know it 10 seconds ago. And I think it's a really useful tool to have to not beat yourself up. Cause it's so easy to look back and go, God, I should have done it like that. But you didn't have the answer. You didn't have that information. didn't have that knowledge. So the intuition is that that guide to the next step and it's to not be afraid to take it because you don't know, have all the knowledge. Right. Right? Because the moment you take the next step, there will be the next opening of intuitive guidance or the next feel or the next feel, whatever it might be, you know? But yeah, the not being afraid is a tall order. Yeah, it is because we judge ourselves and we feel judged and this is where you your teaching of no judge that's the that's come into so much of my life now very strongly you know from following on from what you've taught in that the course I did with you amazing don't get it all the time no
Kerri (09:22.316) You and me both, I try, but I don't always succeed. But it's so powerful because then this is where you're talking about the ease and the quietness. All of that jumble is gone because you don't have to think, that's right or that's wrong. It just is. And it's appropriate or not for you. End of. So I just find it very powerful. Yeah, there's a feeling to it. There's a presence. Like, this is why I love the word, the absence of judgment. Like, feeling the absence of something is a different bit of guidance than saying don't judge. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yes, it's subtle, but it's huge at the same time. Kathy (10:13.23) Because one is the don't judge is if you like a command which then you feel I've got to do it or not but absence as you said is a feeling There is it is not there. So I don't have to do anything. It's just a step into that so it's easier in that respect Yeah. And it's an acknowledgement that it already exists. know, how many people say, everybody's going to judge, Carrie. You know, it's impossible to not judge. And, you know, OK, it's uncommon. But to offer the vocabulary and offer the suggestion, the creation, of the absence of whatever you find yourself in conflict with. You just created the space to potentially discover it and experience it, you know? Like even when we tune into our own bodies and just consider this phrase and the creation of the absence of conflict. It doesn't mean you're responsible for all the details and making conflict stop. Yeah.
Kerri (11:27.392) It means you've just given yourself the gift of the existence of the absence of conflict. once you acknowledge that, it exists. Yes, exactly. You've created it. And I think the very important word you said there was space, creating the space, because so much of this, this work, this time we're in is about creating that space of where to step into. So with the intuition, it's what is my next step? What space am I creating to go forward? And then As you said, could be an absence of conflict, an absence of judgment, but it's allowing yourself to do that. And I think when you step into that with integrity, doing it the best way you can, that's all you can ask of yourself. Yeah, the awareness, right? This is me, this is how I roll. Here's my current awareness, let's go. And more and more too, it's becoming so evident that the knowing why I do what I do is so valuable. And that can be scary too. It asks some people to realize that why they do what they do is for domination and control. You know, and that can be scary to look at. But in the absence of judgment, I can say, look at me. I'm trying to manipulate this situation because I'm scared. Look at that. I would have ever done that.
Kerri (13:07.971) Of course. You and I accepted. There's my halo and it's just slipped round here.
Kerri (13:18.922) So because we are going to be sharing this with other people, would you introduce yourself? Because we just dove right in. And so I'll just say this is my dear friend and colleague, Kathy Price, and she lives in the UK and does work with bringing people to horses and I don't know, maybe other animals as well. but you assist and facilitate intuitive capacity, clarity. You take it from there, please. Yes, I'm a scientist by training. So for many years it was unless you can measure it to prove it and explain it, don't come near me. Thank you very much. And then about 20 years ago, my horse took me to a horsemanship clinic where everything changed overnight, So my work 20 years. Yeah, about, yeah, nearly 20 years. And that was my previous horse. And literally over that weekend, everything changed. My whole outlook on everything. I describe it as a spiritual experience, as a way of explaining it, but it was like my brain got turned around. I don't know what, but that was the turning point. So it led me down a path into healing modalities. And the only reason I went down there was because I read in a book, which fell open on a page in a bookshop. Hey, hey. describing what some people experience when they have a reiki attunement and it basically was an exact description of what I'd experienced at the horse clinic and I just wanted more complete self-interest that was it but I did the three levels I really enjoyed reiki but I kept searching and I did more modalities so I've ended up now with my own work which is the sum of all my parts
Kathy (15:17.014) I'm a farmer's wife, I'm a wife, I'm a mother, I'm now a grandmother. plus I've done all of the healing modalities. I've studied nonstop practically for, since that clinic studying consciousness and healing and psychic ability, you name it, just information, information, information. And I've got to this point now where it sort of distilled itself into what I call the point of balance. Because my belief is that when every system from a single cell to multi complex us, whales, whatever, the innate want of the system is to be in balance, because that's the easy place. That's where everything works. And at every level. we're talking physical, mental, emotional, spiritual. So my work is to try and help people, horses and other animals. find that point of balance because in that point of balance, reminding them where it is, that's how they step in back into health. And so I wish I had a scientific explanation. My little brain would really like a scientific explanation, but there isn't one. So I have to go with that. I work distance. know when I first started doing energy work. when somebody said to me, you'll be, you know, you can do distance. was like, no brain can't cope with that. But it's turned out that majority of my work is distance. work with horses and people all over the world, Australia. I'm in Wales in the UK. And so I love this work because it's so simple and it can be so powerful. I can't guarantee anything because it has to be appropriate for the horse or the person or whoever I'm working with but horses are such a joy to work with because they're in that moment they don't judge you they don't think this cannot work I've read the science book they just go that feels really cool and some of the stuff again the universe has brought me these beautiful horses that they've done some amazing stuff and it's nothing to do with me I'm the catalyst the facilitator
Kathy (17:34.856) I don't sort of direct what needs to happen. They know I don't. That's why I prefer not to. I have to jump in there though. A lot of people who do this work and are healers will say it's not to do with me. They know what they need. They're the ones that direct. But I need to take exception to that. Because if we keep it really, really simple, why is it you on the phone and not someone else? I understand that the answer I'd give to that is from my perspective anybody can do this okay and I know there was one modality that I worked with they taught four-year-olds and they picked it up like that and they ran with it because there's nothing there but so I agree that technically anyone with working ten fingers ten fingers that work could become a concert pianist many don't so I do believe it's my calling it's my my path do this and I obviously have an aptitude for it. It's something that excites me and I grasp but at the same time what I think I'm trying to say is that I can't make anything heal. I can be the clear facilitator, the clear satellite, whatever you want to call it, but I can't make anything happen. So for me that's fine, I'm the clear conduit but then I have to leave it open. Yeah, Yeah, thank you for articulating that because it is, it's vital, especially going forward in creating new space for humanity and for humanity to live in. And I think the scientific word is homeostasis in themselves and in harmony with life. We have to include ourselves in that.
Kathy (19:26.251) Yeah.
Kerri (19:33.652) And there's a difference between, you know, just a humility of saying, I'm happy to help and an egoic, you know, just not malicious, but an underhanded, egoic approach that says, no, no, no, it's, it's just not me. I'm nothing. The energy is everything. And I take exception to that because human individuals are not nothing. Your uniqueness is the one that brought you right to where you are because you are the window, the conduit that can see what wants to be seen so that it can move and change in that horse's body, in the psyche, in the energetic field. And it can be a really scary place to go for a lot of people to welcome forward their own uniqueness, the feeling of their own uniqueness, the experience of it without judging it because we learned so much to put ourselves down before somebody else can. Yeah, that's attack is the best form of defense. Yeah. And I think again, you're what you're bringing into that is to be authentic to yourself. You know, the authenticity of you, whatever you do, if you do it from your heart in the best possible way, you're being the authentic you, you're you're not hiding part of you or you're not pretending to be somebody else. I am me. It's taken me a long time to sort of be able to step forward and go, I do this weird, this weird stuff, this woo woo stuff. Okay. And I know the world is getting more more open to it day by day. It expands and you can see more people interested in it. But there was a long time when it was, unless I've got a scientific explanation for this, I really have got to keep this under wraps because it's just not, but I have stepped into it. This is me. Kathy (21:35.31) Take it or leave it. Yes, I do this stuff. So yeah, I really get what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, and it's just when humans stop excluding themselves from the love that is life, then we can actually have a greater effect through our heart, through the animals we touch, and we can hear the animals that much more clearly because, like, horses are not asking us to make ourselves less than. You know, they're not saying, you piddly humans, we got this long ago. It's still the ego, it's still the human ego projecting onto the forces, right? So I would love to hear you talk about, you know, there's all of the equine assisted paradigms are getting bigger, bigger, bigger, whether it's, you know, working with people in prison, working with disabled people. Personally, I'd love to create a center working with anybody who shows up with no label, you know, whether they're, you know, abled or disabled or whatever, if your heart calls you there, let's go, you know. But can you share your insights about why that has developed so strongly over the last 20, 30 years? And do you look at Yeah. Kerri (23:05.45) how that might grow and how the connection with horses might continue to benefit humanity as people continue to wake up. Yeah, I mean, I've got no personal experience using the horses in therapy personally, but the way I see it is that horses are always congruent. They're present. They're in the moment. And so anybody who comes to them with, I'm going to call it baggage, whatever, emotional, psychological, whatever, they sense that straight away. And so I think most people who own a horse or have been around horses know that if they walk into a paddock or go to ride their horse and on the outside they're going yay Dobby, yay this is a lovely day and inside they're going god I've got this and that, that horse will start reacting because it knows we aren't congruent. So I think the horse's place becomes so important because they're so present. They've got no agenda. They don't need to prove anything to us. They are just there. They are, it's been said, they are our mirror. And that is true, that they, if you come to them with a certain energy that's not comfortable, they'll express it. At the same time, if you come to the, with an energy where they, I don't want to anthropomorphize here. But if somebody goes to them upset, lonely, whatever emotion you want to put there, but not an angry emotion, the horses can feel that. And again, not every horse will respond in the same way because they all come from their different backgrounds as well. Exactly. That will affect the way that they react or interact with the human, with the person.
Kathy (25:10.528) I think for me their power is their presence and I say that in every sense of the word, their physical presence as well as their emotional presence, their energetic presence. You know, I'm very much on the energy, love, energy and connection about my two favorite words in that respect because it is all about, there is no barrier between us and them. Right.
Kathy (25:37.748) if you boil it down, there's nothing, we're just vibrating energy and they vibrate as a different energy to us. Otherwise we could put our hands in them and things like that. So we're always connected and it's, it's that connection they pick up and they can work with if we allow it and if the person can be still and see. And that's again, no judgment on them. I mean, as I said, I've not worked within the actual industry, you know, within the equine facilitated world in that respect, but I've been around horses enough to know their power and their...
Kathy (26:20.594) much they can do for us. And that's not taking from them. From my perspective, it's always a matter of a joint conversation. That it's not, don't expect you to heal me in that respect or you to heal somebody else. It's may we share, may we be in the same space, may we just let this flow between us and then you can see the effect. Yeah.
Kerri (26:45.302) I love it. And it just circles right back to self-awareness, really. A human willing to be aware of themselves can have a much, can have a pretty gentle time of it if they put themselves in the presence of horses and are willing to be aware of themselves. I mean, there's a profound simplicity to it. Presence is really, really simple. And I think it's so simple that people's minds try to complicate it because that's what we were taught. You know, we were all taught that science is the way. And I love science. Don't get me wrong. Science has helped me noodle my way through a whole lot of stuff about this world, right? But it was always the presence, like you're saying, exactly like you're saying, it was the presence of the animals themselves that produced the feeling. in my body that never wavered. For me it was the feeling of home, the feeling of true. And I'm not going to, I'm not saying, I'm deliberately not saying the word truth. It's not the feeling of truth. It was the feeling of true. Like if I follow that feeling, it takes me more into things that are true. And then I can keep going. And Yes, that's such an important distinction. The truth in the truth. Yeah. Yeah. Kerri (28:15.37) Yeah, because the truth is like an achievement. Like, I got it. I'm the master of everything now. I know the truth. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But if you're just tuning yourself and looking for the feeling, not a definition, but the feeling of true, aha, true. Okay, this is what I feel. The responses around me match what I feel. We're going in that direction. It's true. And this is how horses are when they're given the opportunity to be natural. They're feeling their way through the world and they're highly social creatures like. their sense of safety comes from relationships with those around them. Because everybody's interested in the same thing, which is clarity, true, and wellness, homeostasis. When you have a group of social creatures that are all making a priority of the same thing, which could be wellness and homeostasis, and then everybody's got your back and you know it because you can feel it. Yeah. And I think that's an important thing as well, that you, that shared energy. So in these, this day and age we're in at the moment, you know, people are feeling very frustrated and sad and all of these things. And
Kerri (29:35.086) blissfully understated, but yes, please go ahead. I I know, I don't want to dwell on the negative too much, but it's, I sort of did a little post a while ago and it was about totally understanding the situation, but putting out gratitude and love because... what's the diff... I always have a real difficulty when and I understand there are people who have anxiety and depression you know that there are clinical signs and everything but if you're a sort of a person just troddling along through your life and you have a choice that you are able to make the choice between such a hard life and is it a lovely day? I can't see why not go to the positive. Mm-hmm. Kathy (30:23.97) because on so many levels it affects your whole biochemistry, it raises that and raises your immune system, apart from the fact the energy we put out. And you know, what you were saying then is it's the energy we project that can affect the next person, can affect the community. So all of those horses who are sitting in the moment in wellness, looking for that homeostasis, they support each other in that thing because that energy is resonating between them. And that's where humans can do it between themselves without the horse. We've all walked into a room and gone, Ooh, not too sure about this place. And that's just us picking up that energy. So yeah, think, sitting in wellness, sitting in gratitude, sitting in love costs nothing. It's totally easy to do. And the effects are, can be amazing. Yeah. And it does, it takes experience. I mean, I just have to acknowledge it. Like you were saying, it's been a long road that you've been playing with this stuff and finding yourself and welcoming yourself, accepting yourself, embodying all of this. And, you know, me too, my, my journey started in infancy. And so it's, I think, it's important to acknowledge on one hand, it takes time, but only because we measure our world according to time. I had this awesome experience like the last couple of days where I was doing all my own work and doing my best to see where my psyche is at, what I still bring up. Yeah.
Kerri (32:14.766) you know, what I'm still a little addicted to, stuff like that. And I had the most wonderful experience of recognizing a total absence of time. recognizing that when I was 13 and 14, all of these really difficult things happened. And I made decisions back then that said, that's it, I am never... Well, very literally when I was 16, I decided I'm never gonna create again because it wasn't good for me back then I felt very very persecuted for being light and thinking life was beautiful, right and in the self-defense I Made a decision and stuck it in my subconscious and said that's it. I'm not creating I'm too mad Yeah, OK. Yeah.
Kerri (33:10.664) at you people. I'm too mad at humanity. Right? I was really mad at humanity and I was pissed off that I was one of them. Yeah, yeah. Didn't want to be bunched together with that lot, no. you Kerri (33:23.98) No, it was horrible. And so the last few days I've been like revisiting all of that and recognizing like It's hard to put into words, right? But the continuity of that happened then. And here I am today, decades later, and I can address it today as if it were still, I can still feel it as if it were happening. And you can just sort of collapse and bring those two things, you know, today's awareness and 16 year old memory awareness. You can bring them to the same spot and And make a new choice, make a new decision, have a new awareness about why it happened and where it came from and what was the hurt. And it's not hurting anymore. And we can do it differently now. And it's a natural innate ability within us when we're willing to feel, when we're willing to acknowledge what we actually feel rather than judging that we shouldn't, I should be over this by now. Yeah. People would find me to be much more professional if I didn't have any issues, stuff like that. When really the truth of it is, this has been my experience. Look at the tools we have now. Let's actually use them and create the space for something new.
Kathy (34:51.938) News 3.
Kathy (34:57.818) Yeah, think that's, it's interesting because I've found myself now when I, I'm going to call it an issue, an emotion or something kicks up, immediately I look back only because I know it's rooted somewhere back there, that they're, you know, I mean, you know this better than anyone, but we bring forward a pattern of what we learnt then, which was appropriate for the five year old, for the seven year old. And we just run that pattern, run that pattern. So, what you're saying there where you can bring that forward now and go, okay, that's what was happening then. I so understand that all of these incidents through my life, all this timeline, that's why. And I'm in this position now to go totally okay. That was fine. You're quite within your rights to do that. That's no problem. Just don't need to do it anymore. So the same sort of thing. And I understand. you are collapsing your timeline, you're bringing that point to this point and so you're healing your past, you're getting rid of all of that angst and I know they they say you can heal previous generations because you're getting rid of that energy that you'll bring forward with you, you're just healing it backwards if you like. Okay.
Kerri (36:19.084) Yeah, well, and that's the thing about stepping out of time and like putting this idea of stepping out of time right next to this thing we know and call presence, right? And the thing of the present moment where animals, undisturbed, are 100 % of the time, simply because they aren't creating thoughts that take them on a tangent, But this is, I think, this is one of the... gifts, one of the greatest offerings of animals and nature is the existence of a harmony and a natural homeostasis simply because it exists. Like there's nothing, like you said, there's nothing to prove, there's nothing to earn. It's just, this is how it looks when it's undisturbed by a suggestion that it should be better. for this or that or for me or because I want more profit or hard to not go onto tangents on that one. yeah, think this creating, I mean, a lot of why I wanted to have these conversations and share these conversations is to give people plant seeds and give people food for thought about, know, we do have opportunities to create going forward from here. Yeah.
Kerri (37:52.728) Who am I really and what would I like to create going from here and where would I create it from? Do I want to create it from saying, you know, this guy's bad and this guy's good so I'm going to go out with a whole new sword and shield and get in another fight for this guy or against that guy or do we want to just say, hmm, nature's onto something here. How can I include myself in? Yeah, yeah, I think we use such a good point that we society, modern society, you know, can't think of the wording, but the we separate ourselves, we are always above controlling. And I always say, and I've said for so long, the most evolved people on this planet are the Aboriginal tribes, because they work within harmony within their environment. They're adapted to. they know not to take too much. know how they can live in, you know, environments like deserts and the cold and things like that, because they've just adapted to it and they accept what's there. They don't need. And I don't know whether what we're going through at the moment, you everyone's talking about what's going to happen. Is it going to change people's mindset? I do hope that it, this shows people a way forward where we don't need so many things. that we can and we fit in to society in a better way and society fits into the world in a better way. You know, it's a big project, a big statement, but I think if we all act individually and it's not a matter of, okay, I'm going to go and live under a tree and eat grubs or anything like that. No. As you said, we know who we are, we have our authenticity, our knowing ourselves, and we all have this place in this world with amazing talents to bring forward. But can we do it together instead of fighting against each other? I think that's the thing.
Kerri (39:59.758) Yeah, and there's another point too that people will say, oh, and like, and again, people have said to me over and over, it's emblazoned in my head. Okay, Carrie, that's really great, but you're not going to get everybody to think that way. Right? So, I mean, it begs the question, do we need everybody to think the way and talk the way you and I are right now? I think we just need a critical mass because I know you're familiar with the work of Heartmath who have the global coherence initiative with the sensors around the world which show a change to an ordered pattern when there's massive emotion within the world. For the naysayers, there you are. You have a massive emotional shift within the world and it affects what goes on in the environment, in the atmosphere, in the electromagnetic fields. So my way of thinking is you don't need to go and preach at people, change yourself. That's all you need to do. And the more people that can make that little bit of a shift into a different mindset of love and gratitude. it's not, you know, people go, it's hippie-dippie shit. You it's not. You can work in your everyday world. be it finance or doctors in the shop and still step into that gratitude and love and that projects onto the next person. You make that person's world that little bit better that moment. Exactly. So for me, I totally get it. You know, you're not going to convince everyone, but when you get the more the mass of people shifting into that mindset, into that energy, that's when I saved in time. Kathy (41:55.99) big changes happen. Yeah, and there's something to be said for purity of it too. You know, when people are absolutely, truly willing to embody that harmony, to know themselves truly at the highest frequencies that they can achieve, and there's a commitment to that. That it speaks to a purity that has a volume to it. It has a resonance to it. as opposed to, know, just by way of contrast to say somebody who's got one foot in and one foot out and he says, well, I'll play with gratitude as long as I'm happy with my world. But if the temperature gets too hot and then I'm out, you know, or, you know, if my boss yells at me, I'm yelling back or whatever, you know, reserving the right to be in conflict. That's cool. You know, moments of actual shift in frequency. change everything. But the purity and the consistency and the willingness to walk with awareness, with that harmony as a priority, that speaks to a purity that vibrates out. And the people who are doing that find each other. It just happens. you know, people will say, there's so few people doing it. Yeah, but those few people find each other so that you know you're not alone. And I mean, I'm totally speaking from experience, you know, I spent the first 30 years or more of my life going, I can't be the only one. can't possibly be the only one. It makes no sense that I would be the only one, you know, and I met some people that taught me to do it and opened my eyes here and gave me vocabulary and taught me.
Kerri (43:49.602) you know, get me started, but I still wasn't feeling the purity until I did, you know, and then boom, all sorts of doors open. And for a lot of people, think animals can be a doorway to that, because it's really scary for a lot of people. And that's the point for me of having the conversations about the animals, because so many people will open their hearts in the presence of animals, but not humans. So let's honor that too, right? Absolutely. And I think that's such a beautiful thing because it's the practice in every sense of the word that when they're with their animal, with a dog or a cat or the horse, they can be themselves. And I've always said, I'm so lucky, honored, grateful. I have got now so many people I can be myself with. It's just what you're saying. I couldn't be the only one. I don't think I ever sort of really went through that phase, but I just knew that I had to keep cap on what I said. I couldn't truly be me because I was, and the part of it was fear. They're just like, oh yeah, right. Ta-da. Um, but also I just, I couldn't go there, but now yourself included, you know, that I can, I've got this wonderful array of people and like you said, they appear. They just appear out of nowhere. you're another one. this is enough. you know that one as well. this is amazing. You know, and the group just gets bigger and bigger and bigger. But I go back to your point with the animals totally because they feel safe in the presence of the animal. They don't feel they're going to be judged by the animal. The animal itself is radiating out that beautiful love presence here now, nothing else. No, as you said, no tangent, no agenda. And so you pick up on that, resonate with that. And that is the place where you can get used to being in it. And then the next step is stepping outside the front door.
Kerri (45:49.036) right? So I want to ask you to talk a little bit please about, know, you're a farmer's wife, you have sheep, and so how, with this level of clarity and awareness about animal sentience and who they are, how can you be a farmer? Like what is your relationship? Thank
Kathy (46:12.366) with the animals? It's a really good question because I started farming, we've been married for 35 years. So it was before the shift, if you like the awake thing. I've always had an affinity to animals. I mean, I wanted to be a vet. That was sort of my goal and didn't quite get the grades. So there we go. But the way I look at with the animals is gratitude. first and foremost is respect and gratitude. for me, this is my mindset and I totally understand that people out there who wouldn't accept it and I've got no problem with that at all. Everybody has got their rights to their own way of looking at it. But as a livestock farmer, those animals are treated with respect and gratitude when they're with us. They give up their lives so we live. Okay, I know there are other ways of doing it, but that is the way we've chosen. And in so doing, we honor them in the sense, every load of lambs that goes off, I say thank you to them. It's gonna make me, I get emotional because they, know, it's such a... It's such a profound communication, connection with them, because I realize what they give, but I just want them to know how grateful I am to them, because it's been the generation thing. We honor the land. You know, we don't own the land, it passes through. You know, it's passing to the next generation now. But the beauty of the farming life in that respect is they know the land. They know every little bit about it and they know the animals. I mean, you get to the state, you can see a sheep walk across and go, there's something wrong with that one. You just know, you get a feel. so yeah, I mean, we hate people, think farmers have got no feelings or whatever, but we used to have suckler cows as well. We finished with them. The kids have taken over just some sheep at the moment. Kathy (48:29.74) but they would be with us sometimes for 14, 15 years. And they'd have a calf every year and the calf would stay with their mom and then be weaned and then grow on and either go to another farmer for breeding or it would go for meat. And we would eat that meat and we would go to the slaughterhouses. I've been to slaughterhouses. I've seen what's happened. I'm not going to be detached from it. I understand it's part of the process, but that's my way of looking at it. And I know I'm so grateful that my husband is such a good farmer. He's one who, he looks after his animals. And I know there are bad farmers out there, absolutely. But that's the way I look at it. It's not the hunter, going out and getting the, know, going out hunting one animal like that. But for me, it's the same sort of principle in that I understand why they are here. I understand what they give. And I give gratitude for that because because of what they give up, we live and we can carry on and we eat them. know, it's know any vegans out there are probably going to shoot me, but there's been times in the, especially early on, we have a, you know, like a old fashioned range with a cooler oven at the bottom and a hot oven. And there's been... something cooking up there and there's been one being warmed underneath, know, being brought back to life and people look at you and go, well, how can you do that? But that's the cycle of life for us. The way that we work. And I think it's a really good question. I'm glad you've asked it. It's an awkward question at many times, but no, I've got no worries about what I do in the sense that as long as you do it, as I said, integrity and authenticity and you know what you are doing and you step into it at every level, then you feel it, you know it, and that's the way it works.
Kerri (50:34.894) Thank you so much. Thank you for talking through that because yeah, is, you know, a tender, obviously a tender topic for everybody. And I think just because people are trying to figure out who am I, who am I in relationship to the rest of life, you know, and do I deserve to be alive? You know, should I even be killing plants to live? But those questions, again, exclude oneself from the harmony of all of life. You know, it's such, it's going back, again, not malicious, but it's going back into the ego, where the ego is trying to figure out who's more important than who, what's worth what. And it's just a very different way of going than coming to your heart and recognizing, you know, these, the lives of these lambs individually and as a whole, are offering a gift for the sustenance of our family and beyond. Can I actually receive that love and that gift with understanding that this is how we function? Just, I love how you said it, you know, this is how we function. This is what we've built. This is what our family does. And to have the grace to receive the gift that these animals are sharing simply by existing. I think is a beautiful way to walk in grace and reverence and to mutually honor the lambs and also honor oneself. No, thank you. I've thought about it long and hard, for many years, thinking, what is it? What is the relationship? And that's the path. That's how I see it. Yes, there are times when the sheep sees the gate open but runs into the fence instead of going through the gate. You do question your sanity and the sanity of the sheep. it's all part of life's rich pattern with sheep.
Kathy (52:41.742) You drama so we can't we keep sheep right Exactly, exactly. No, it's, it's, bring such joy as well. You know, there's nothing like seeing lambs, newborns running around the place and playing. And my daughter and I, you know, we name some of them and people would think, my God. And then we, we rejoice when they die a natural death on the farm. You know, that they're there, you think. good on you, know, you've done it well done, know, because you hate seeing them going off, you know, it's part of the process, but it's not to say it doesn't affect you. mean, goodness knows, but you just have to accept from our point of view, know, where we are, that's what happens. But yeah, they bring such joy, they bring such happiness as well. The things that go on, mean, stories, I found out my kids, Yeah.
Kathy (53:38.688) My daughter used to love to ride the cows, okay? She'd just jump on the back and they'd just pod her off. And so she knew which ones were all right to ride. And in the winter they were in a big shed. And my son, who was younger than her, went in the shed and he jumped on one that was not any good to ride. So then it was a rodeo act, apparently, and he ended up in the shed. I never knew anything about this. I never knew a thing. I mean, it's just, I'm so grateful that they can grow up. in this environment, you know, that's the other side of it as well, is they know about life and death, they know about birth, they know, you know, all of the stages of life, and they're out in nature. They see the interactions, they understand what the weather does, they know the whole cycle of life. There's so many things to be grateful in that respect as well. Thank you so much. So we're coming close to an hour. I want to ask you, is there anything that you would like to say or share or ask before we wrap up? just, I really believe we can as a society, but on the individual, as each individual, we can make a shift, we can make a change. I totally believe it's possible. And it doesn't take much for it to happen. I think as you said about opening up, realizing who you are, and stepping into that space, and then just radiating that out that energy out of love and gratitude are breathing deep and being present. I just, I feel we can make the change for the better.
Kerri (55:26.016) I love that. And I love to give to people too, like, hey, don't take my word for it, right? Go try. Actually try. Actually experience it. And really make, you know, make a commitment just to yourself that you're actually going to give yourself the experience of honoring yourself, taking those breaths, actually feeling grateful for stuff, for, you know, Yeah.
Kerri (55:55.778) a half a day or a day. Like, don't take our word for it. Just go, go. Right out. And that's really, I think, one of the greatest ways that we can empower people is share the awareness, share the gifts, share the presence, and then set people free. You're gonna go do what you're gonna do, and you're gonna be loved 100 % the whole way. And when you stop choosing to go against yourself, you're right back in your heart. And it's just how it works. Yes. Yes, you said, don't take our word for it, go do it. Yeah, exactly. Prove me wrong if you can.
Kathy (56:37.164) Yes, that's the challenge. Go put me wrong. Yeah. I love it. Love it. Kathy, thank you so much. This is such a wonderful. Yeah, you're brilliant. I always love playing with you. So thank you for showing up. Thank you for asking me, it's been such a joy. talk to you very soon. Okay, take care Kathy (57:08.63) I look at you with an open heart and say who you really are. No need to find the words for this faith and grace. But don't doubt it, trust the smile on my face.
